This is my blog of current hobbies, at the moment that happens to be all things Tesla so I have decided to build a Tesla coil and, as usual, I will go completely over the top with it.
Tuesday, 5 June 2012
Secondary Coil (Take 2)
A couple of weeks back I spent a few of hours playing with my oscilloscope. I had seen a few articles on the web showing how to measure the resonant frequency of the primary and secondary coils with an oscilloscope so I thought I would give it a try. The easiest one to measure is the secondary coil, to do it accurately you need to remove the primary coil and simulate streamers from the toroid as these change the resonant frequency. I was not looking for this degree of accuracy at this stage, really just having a go to get a rough idea.
I disconnected the earth lead from the bottom of the secondary coil and connected the coil to the signal generator built in to my oscilloscope.
I plugged a probe into channel one and Damien held the it approximately 3 feet away from the secondary coil.
I set the signal generator to a sine wave of 5v amplitude and starting at 100kHz as I guessed resonance should be between in the range 100kHz to 200 kHz.
The volts per division on channel 1 was set to 10mv and time/div set to 1us. I began to slowly increase the frequency of the signal being supplied to the secondary coil. You can see from the pic above that the trace was flat as 128kHz was passed. This remained the case most of the time as the frequency was increased, there were some signals picked up, presumably harmonics of the true resonance. To my amazement at 175.4kHz the flat trace suddenly transformed into a perfect sine wave, signifying we had hit the resonant frequency of the secondary coil.
As I said this was only done for experimental reasons and in no way to get an accurate resonant frequency, but it did get me thinking more about the relationship between the secondary and primary coils. I had read a lot of references to JAVATC while looking for information about Tesla coil tuning. It's a website based program used to help in the design of Tesla coils. It works by entering lots of component specs and various physical dimensions of the Tesla coil you have built or plan to build. When the program is run it calculates the resonant frequencies of the primary and secondary coil and displays the %tune between them. It can also be used to automatically tune the primary coil to the secondary, in this mode the program will output the correct tap point on the primary (in number of turns) to get resonance with the secondary. It took me a while to work out and gather all the different data required to test my own Tesla coil build but after a lot of measuring I entered the data into JAVATC.
CRAP!!!
According to the software I needed to tap my primary coil at turn 16 to get resonance with the secondary coil. That would be a slight problem. I only have 12.5 turns on my primary!!! The reason for this was a lack of understanding when turning my secondary coil. I had opted for a larger secondary coil during the build after choosing a few other upgrades. I had failed to upgrade the magnet wire gauge used to form the windings. The 0.4mm diameter wire I used on the larger secondary had resulted in far more turns than required. There is only one thing for it, build another secondary with less turns.
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hi your coil looks great not sure what you mean by tapping the primary at turn 16 ? are you talking about a direct connection between the primary and the secondry?
ReplyDeleteto my knowledge there souldn't be a connection between the two coils
the main thing is to make sure the surface area of the primary is the same as the surface area of secondry (to do with the skin effect). also for best results i've also heard that you want your secondry to have the same height to width ratio
check out eric p dollard , that guy knows about teslas work.
keep up the good work
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Hi there. Paul here.
ReplyDeleteWhen I say tapping the primary coil at 16 turns I am refering to the connection between the primary and the mmc bank. Your quite correct there is no physical connection between the primary and secondary coils.
Thanks for the info. Will check it out.
hi again ahh i see,
ReplyDeletei've also heard for best results use a teflon coated coax cable for you're secondry because it wont be destroyed by flashovers and also because silver is used in the coating process which makes it a perfect electromagnetic reflecter. cheers again
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